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good afternoon and welcome to
the show and implied it during
today's show we will discuss
best practices with data center
consolidation strategies
in the federal government with
me today on the show are Melanie
Parker Hill the division chief
enterprise operations center at
the US Department of State
mister jerry pender the
executive assistant director
chief information officer
information technology branch at
the FBI brain connection E
the chief technology officer at
the US Air Force Andrew price
the engineering manager public
sector
at Check Point Software Steve y
lo the chief Solutions Architect
at
brocade federal and Bob Sinclar
the senior architecture manager
at Red Hat we're gonna talk data
centers in virtualization maybe
work in a little bit a cloud
managed services a long layover
how much it started with manly
Parker health
now he tells a little bit give
some examples are some progress
you're seeing being made
at state department with data
center consolidation surgeon
over there am
last 10 years since the FTC's
yeah I am and it came out
departments make great strides
basically closing down 10th
tonight while smaller data
centers
actually collapsed them into or
enterprise data centers that we
have throughout the US
we are so I'm have a small
footprint in various areas in
the local DMV
Department of State here we I am
one other
great things that we're doing
right now as we're looking at
how the ability in disaster
recovery footprint we're looking
to
and decrease our overall size
while while
also maximizing on cost savings
for the department another great
thing that we are
actively pursuing right now is a
modern-day dishonor and
basically the
poinsettia that modular data
center which will be released
later on the summer
I we will be collapsing 11,000
square feet a basin floor space
into a thousand I'll square foot
data center for space
were able to do this or achieve
this by our virtualization
cloud computing and other
technologies that are
yes really cool watching this
whole thing involved in all the
new technologies come out now
the modular approach is
a things getting smaller and so
forth it's been a
interesting and I know the new
CIO for a for the government has
you may data center
consolidation can continuing
priority so I think
word for this for her for from
Frank
over US Air Force tell us a
little bit of progress you see
be made over
and in your area Jim the first
and yes be done for the Texans
citations for your web
applications with him and
sincere forces rather large
128 basis across the board we
have data centers each those
bases affect where multiple data
centers is this basis
we're doing an S&M in Tory a all
the equipment and doing an
overlay of the applications
because we need to figure out
which do creative applications
we have at the various bases
that can be consolidated into a
essential data center as well as
arwood bit what
application session need to
exist at the base for mission
effectiveness
them time we developing a
process to put a tool set out
there
they will be automatically do
the inventory for us and to
maintain it because we have to
sustain especially as we start
moving things
from our you know the bases to
the court as soon as we have cue
track to where they are going
her and the interfaces a other
external interface is that they
have to have
to make a make sure they were
properly and
same time we're doing a a
pathfinder for what should the
base infrastructure look like
in a virtualized environment and
is gonna be a a dynamic one
because we've
gone to both the cocoa marlon
ago call model and ran for her
out was the best who actually do
a modular
you put on the slab in like
treasure that out so we're going
to look at the pathfinder for
her out
on based on its base what you
know should be the best
configuration for their best
parkour
yeah I like the idea for do that
application majorie first day
you know it makes sense if
you're going to consolidate
you just don't want to move
stuff as is you might as well
try to get a virtualized
modernizing
maybe throw away things you need
more like to thank you a jury
pender FBI
kelso bilbao progress with data
center consolidation in your
area
well the FBI were part of the
Department justices
revitalization program
and so certainly won the first
thing to do is put together a
program with the
government structure I'm got
that done I'm so far
the OJ has consolidated from 110
in data centers now 248 so I
made quite a bit of progress are
ready
in that regards at the FBI with
that build a virtual platform
and a pushover over 100
different applications onto that
platform
we did some pilots was some
innovative cooling technologies
trip before we get into I'm a
big data center project I'm some
other successes and and that
we've had
I'm PU is pop power utilization
efficiency ratings below 1.1
mom and son pilot so what we're
really excited about that we've
defined the strategy for the for
the department that'll be three
core enterprise facilities
I'm that guys gonna operate to
have those and we've done that
any studies to to build those up
well cool yeah that's a good
point to the energy savings am
because I think memory somewhere
that power cost is one of the
bigger cost in some large data
centers and now with new cooling
techniques
and and technology advance in
with with cooling there's a
tremendous amount seems to be
had
and make money and power up some
time with you hear about what
you doing there
because one other thing we do
with the show as I talk to
everybody else I see something
that's being done at one agency
that's a success story like to
get that word out other agencies
I Andrew price over to check
point tell us how your
what you guys do to support your
government customers in in this
space
well I think the biggest thing
we focus on beyond technology
sharing information
men being a technical resource
for our government partners that
doesn't come with a price tag or
or build materials after right
our big goal is to bring our
customers and direct access with
our actual security ratio
researchers in the and the
people are making the product
as opposed to you know just
salesmen and and to enable
trying to sell something the
better most important thing now
moderate a panel yes the last
week we had tremendous
Paul talk about information
sharing to we're talking about
the
health how much change so much
now with the amount the data
that can be
Theo with the business analytics
melody that can manage these
days and now
how much more information can be
moved around so
fascinating area he happen while
about the Brocade federal
give some ideas and things
you're doing in this space
church so that's really three
things
and burkett Federals know about
providing infrastructure
mmm to support all this data
movement romuald summer three
things are looking at first and
foremost as frank mentioned
it figure what you have so we
spent a lot of time looking at
visibility know how do you see
where the date is flown how the
C word sets for the hot spots
are
know what you need to move in
where do you need to move it so
know that that's I think first
and foremost
at the bar just want to make
sure that whatever we provide
the agency's
the federal government in terms
of the infrastructure that it's
simple
that its he's in a mani chin
it's easy to to manipulate its
agile it has the ability to
to move itself around itself
Hill really from virtualization
side
so that you can provide
infrastructure and services to
help this movement
across data centers in as you
work for to this process
mind the last pieces inspection
the government world my claim an
advisor for fifteen years
is that if you can't buy it
effectively it doesn't really
dnt get right so we spent a
lotta time coming up with new
programs we have some some
unique I network subscription
models that allow you to
purchase these things that you
wanna do
in a much simpler form and not
have to use a lotta capital
capital expenditures to do that
ranking go back in you can use
the operational part of your
budget
to go ahead and put these pieces
in play that you need to move
stuff around
yeah I'm going with family
dinner at the next question talk
a little bit about managed
services and
in the fact is a lot agencies
are in a position where they're
not going again bump up in cap
ex money so it's gonna be how to
use %uh pics money to make these
capital investment the exact
time Bob Sinclar over right hand
I think a red hat I think the
open-source you know
I is their opportunities a here
for
as good as these data center
consolidations move on tell us
how Red Hat is positioning to
keep the plane that the absolute
we r we r
known as the Linux company the
orphan's were Halfpenny open
standards amber
a are our source code is
a publicly available to
everybody up and that's our
model for our development
within right here um you know
when you say data center
consolidation
I think it means different
things to different people so to
it can be forklift doing it can
be. are
you know braque be shutting down
to face as I can is different
ways that we
work with her cuz we have lots
of customers we have customers
that are looking at this is a
first for their a
for their %ah a data center
consolidation Tom
you know frost's I think it's
it's about having a good
relations with our customers
understanding what their needs
are
understand what they're trying
to accomplish now with open
source technologies we feel like
we can
are not provide cost-effective
are ways of helping our
customers with
open standards and and
technologies that allow them
what flexibility
to to in M you know we encourage
people start
consolidating with I've heard
people say with virtualization
min
and doing the little things
first mmm yeah like that novel
idea to try and understand the
customer first before reaction
to something
much lower center let's talk to
let's talk a little bit here
about the virtualization it's
come up
cloud computing managed services
that start with Jerry pender
this time a ref be I
carry you know when I think the
data center consolidation and
then we have all this move
mccloud
everybody's doing virtualization
we heard already a little bit
about
managed service approaches how
to use sure like
thing Europe for your all that
stuff out how does it work into
your strategy when
thinking things through well we
think that for the foreseeable
future we can have a portfolio
of different things that we
the top red from legacy
proprietary things were going to
call a location
i'm too virtualization to
private clouds and the
depending on other government
agencies as service providers to
to get servicers from other
agencies on public cloud and
managed services that there's
going to be a portfolio
and everything's gonna be an app
that portfolio for the
foreseeable future
that is good and then which
approach you take it
there's a lot and decisions to
make I'm it really depends on
the degree of
entered buck interconnectivity
I'm and and how
much the applications are
integrated I'm the security
requirements the predictability
of the load
I'm in the pace of change
allowed to pick the right thing
are the portfolio
based on those kinds of car
criteria
I'm certainly one other things
that the Justice CEO Joe
climbers
I'm is is emphasizing as the
importance of optimization you
know just disco locating a
putting things together right
doesn't get a whole lotta
benefit it's really about
optimizing what you have
yeah absolutely you know I've
heard some our stories where
that hasn't happened were you
know trying to consolidate and
you move from one center to the
other but you didn't have the
money to move everything from
the for senator to the second
center so now you're what you're
paying for two centers that a
once-over
I mean there some story like
that which lead again to the
point %uh planning in advance in
studying these issues through an
advanced figure out with
which we're gonna go amelli how
how do you work the issues %uh
virtualization managed services
cloud
into your thought process when
you're thinking about your the
center consolidation
sure I'm I think what gerry has
expressed a state department
uses those same philosophy thank
is this
is key to understand okay what
is first we have a lot of people
that are used to still
hugging we would prefer to have
peace a boxer's yeah and we
understand that
the upcoming custom but now
trying to introduce
the strategies and and the
benefits optimizing through
virtualization things that
nature
has %ah shown a benefit to us we
actually even increased a
virtualization platform where
over seventy percent
brutalized across or data
centers which is a great number
for the Department of State
I'm another thing that we do is
its kinda competition because
you have the private sector
they can offer cloud computing
and other %uh services for
agencies while we actually have
in one about facilities on the
west coast we have over 15,000
square feet
I'm data center floor space
available for other data and for
other agencies federal agencies
the comment and look at and they
can build out according to
customize to their needs some
so that's something else the
department's that has to offer
yeah I think I
that's that seem to be evolving
to a lot more shared centers in
I think I'll here are some
culture issues obviously that
jump into that equation but but
it just makes sense in
in so many ways and I think I'm
also seeing
you know going the public clouds
with administrative things but
keepin'
United sensitive data are
critical measure but over time
even that seems to be
getting involved is fed ramp
comes along and people begin
trust and I will get more
and so forth Pat Frank about the
virtualization managed services
cloud
how's it working to your
strategies the a.m their forces
been virtualizing applications
for several years ready in fact
Hiller for space
his virtualized over probably
five hundred applications now
two months already
and the main drivers for that
was basically coming out the
cost to the system admins
in coming out the cost to the
licensing associated with the
product
so we are I'm readying ready to
go for it virtualization we've
now defined several platforms as
a service that our standard
across the Air Force
that all new and emerging
applications have to go to we've
set up an office
to support that migration those
dedicated to just doing the
migration to helping the
the the users and the the PO's
actually do the migration and
move into a cloud
data center we have a choice a
cloud edison's we can go to
disarm
for the CDC's we can go to our
bases
been pending a mission needs we
can also go to commercial
thank you so are looking at all
three of those options based on
mission is Rihanna choose one of
them for each the applications
and going further than that we
know one who set up the tools
that we can
automatically provisioned any
those environments and so
with the concept is is that we
have the office setup
we have a toolset to actually
support this again sir standard
platforms
we can provisional into a ac/dc
for the dust attacks or we can
position into a cloud or
commission and both
now be automated yes what we
want to do and
par this tool set the stage a
comeback with us-made classes
can be for the
for the user mom to get all
kinds of options available on
a Bob Sinclar happened Red Hat
how you guys looking at managed
services in virtualization and
cloud nine
in all those other issues
floating around out there is
interesting everybody talk
because I I think we're
we're on the same same page I
think greg has uniquely position
for the space because
arm red aksar rate has started
as as a Linux open-source
company but if you look at us
today
I'll our strategy is the open
hybrid cloud so
the public clouds the Managed
Services are
are part of the way we do live
and work today and we knew that
ability to train can expand our
ob are our services so
red hack and can help a bill
that
data center I but we also
that data center I but we also
have a an open hybrid model
where we're
are talking about easily are
giving customers the flexibility
to
move data back and forth I'm
to move data back and forth I'm
between private and public
clouds
yeah i think im you're seeing
that
a lot of going on right now
a lot of that going on right now
mine all the shows were doing is
that decision about what can be
public or private in
some cases hybrid cloud to know
where I live some some the
parts in the system reside in
the public some
reside in private clouds I am
Andrew price over checkpoint
about the
virtualization managed services
cloud computing
are you guys viewing at how's
that working two years ago are
our number one driver was that
is to make sure the experience
for security products in the
physical world is the same as
the virtual world
and so it's not just sticking
with a particular virtualization
vendors making sure that
whatever we provide can run on
whatever customer environment
the RAS
there's nothing I can I wanted
to touch on with virtualization
go back to what frank was
talking about was automation um
you know when it when
virtualization started a lot of
the focus was
reducing service pays reducing
cost and hardware but I think
the real return on investment
will come with automation
when you can easily provision
servers almost like you're doing
a Visio diagram
that changes the game and I need
a lot less people to do it
and you spend a lot less time
working on it no
excellent point yeah I get hurt
late instar to people just think
about space savings but now it's
like we're virtualizing
everything
virtualized desktop fertilized a
pretty much it in it that the
term itself is expanded to
encompass a lot more
then just space-saving you know
in 2004
that's the while over broke a
day one talk this little bit
about managed services in
virtualization
sounds like kinda things that
the you you would-be
Bourque would be involved in
pretty heavily know definitely
and you know one thing to look
at is through the process and is
in a consolidation
we've been looking at this for
for years now this isn't this is
something to start a long time
ago
but through that process there
was a fundamental shift in the
way the data moved
we call that the new IP but what
are the center first is a fact
that the
the sources of the information
are now mobile they're in there
were about technology all the
social media pieces in the pie
differently
the different agencies but
that's a paradigm shift in the
way
any amount of deer that that's
flowing to the environment it's
no longer
the strategy and the seventies
and eighties all came from one
spot it landed over here
now what you're seeing is that
the the proliferation of data
can be coming from
anywhere in the world in any way
shape or form and when you pull
that together the way that you'd
have to design and think about
much as the network
but the reso the IT
infrastructure changes and
that's that's really what that
new IP's about
so what we do is we take a look
at its okay know how we address
this this new
Disney shifted
you're hotter shifted her
ministry I'm so virtualization
that's pretty much Norman start
talking about server
virtualization if you don't do
it you're you're you're old
school
right from the network side is a
bit different it's something
that is a little bit new to us
and Wu at the point now we're
starting to take network
functions
the old harbour boxes which
would put on a carton role in
summer
and virtualizing as functions
that allows us to have that
agility when you start talking
about cloud moving things around
know I can fire off these
network services in a virtual
environment be over quickly
and that allows me to to be on
the scale those as well um
from the cloud computing side
that's just the business model
change for us
it's the ability to move the
resources around with the
business needs those
and you start talking about are
looking to mention the security
side to that
know we have pieces that we can
put in there to help that
movement make sure it is secure
don't wanna lose stuff in flight
for somebody who's right in the
tour with Bro big things for us
from the main service aside it's
really about providing people
like the systems integrators
that work with these different
agencies
the ability to take the
information to take the products
and get them
into their systems get them
checked and procured in such a
way that they're
readily available and short
notice to provide services to
the agency so
when you're all that together
that gives us this this approach
to this new IP which is
something different that you
need for the different way the
date is moving
absolutely sounds like a you
know a major like change
management process
aren't pinata like change
management is changing to become
even more complex too to
incorporate all these different
ideas in as you move along
and the the organization now
he'd
adopt all all this new ways of
doing business our
interesting very interesting
approach I how we need to talk
about lessons learned what we're
learning through this process
and maybe some some challenges
and things like that but first
we need to take a short break
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Parker Hill from state
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Frank
connects me from US Air Force
Andrew price from Check Point
Software Steve while in from
work a federal
and Bob Sinclar from Red Hat
were talkin data center
virtualization
managed services except for a I
am
when we went to break we were
talking about those news topics
in
I thk what we've been tryg
I think what we've been trying
to work in the shower some
lessons learned to date
some things that you guys are
encountering along the way
perhaps a pass on t'other
government colleagues are
working the same issues and some
industry folks that are working
issues let's start with Frank
this time frame what are some
other big lessons are learning
as you go through the process
here
that you might past 12
spelling's out there again the
the first one is if you do the
application and Tori to look at
what other applications and
databases this application
actually connects to
because if you try to migrate
something off into another data
center
and you don't consider all the
back-end systems that attach to
it you're not going be able to
actually work effectively
and that includes systems that
don't run like every hour
right the run every month yeah
because that's usually the
killer one
one that you never know about
the runs every month it depends
upon the data that you have in
your application of a sudden
there's a trickle a factor
applications that fail al1 hoops
like okay return the button here
that never giving up
what I'm good point in a the
other things there are basically
on course a.m. in the DOD we are
concerned about the impact level
there with that is actually
is a mission that is a publicly
release the data and that will
determine
where you actually can put it in
what data center as SB Nation
effective
and lastly the the usual
problems you have is after you
clear a data center will you do
with that
in is refurbishing cost there's
reuse costs
people forget about that that
cost because just can't boarded
up and say
session obeys this is now a
desert and building I go to a
never thought about that what's
happening on a vacation right
year ago there's
is that issue n/a and as the
mansion for like a
the suffered if I networking
we're looking at that too is how
are you
you how do you how do you do now
add that to the list of things
that you want to do
the shona bears right for the
data center than the other one
to
right interesting some
interesting points and never
thought about something that
a Melanie Inc at how bout to
estate department what are some
other things you're learning as
you go through this process here
that %um
pass on this from colleagues
have been are it's great to hear
that
and we're in line with a lot of
the other ABC's similar things
to what Rangers mention you have
to understand your inventory
it's nothing like as frank
expressed to I
move a device and then a month
later two months later maybe
even a year some annual payroll
things or something like that
may run
you forgot that back in database
also would like to get their
debut to that would look good
one of the things that statement
on down there was if you're not
much larger all school
soul trying to get the whole
school people to buy yen
to say this is a great thing
will save you money hey give me
your requirements I can procure
you or I can release
a virtual machine to you within
two to three days
max you know depending on you
know parties versus you having
to go through acquisitions by
about 5,000
ten thousand dollars to bicker
these things I can release this
on the fly to you
beginning that by and from the
old school people that Steve
Army for he was a
a key as well and is also have
been the and stakeholders by and
when I say stakeholder
we're talking about the security
people were talking about the
facility owners and those type
of folks
right now emily is a hundred
18th show and every show at some
point we talk about that culture
issue in the end change in the
fact that they're so much change
going on
and I'm now is thinking the the
bobby kennedy quote that
one-third everybody's against
everything all the time
matter what it is I'm a jury
would he think what are some
other lessons are learning here
as you work your way through
and here programs the the
biggest lesson we learned that
the FBI is the most important
%uh the mission Valuev
at the consolidation %uh the the
mission doesn't stop because
we're doing some
I'll IT initiative in the back
end and so it is really key
that you get that unify the
mission value of
love the consolidation effort
I'm and can get mission
leadership by in that
judge is absolutely key to the
process
I think that the second thing as
far as per the consolidation
across the department russia's
with many different components
with with very very different
missions
so understand the requirements
for different competing missions
is extremely important I A and
identifying those requirements
up front in early in the process
and then that said even in those
important to get the
requirements up front almost
inherently you gonna get a more
wrong
but the ability to add adjusters
as the mission changes or the
financial system changes or
technology changes
over the life for the program I
and then the last think
significant much that I I'm talk
about is this important
important %uh engaging with
industry leadership
really than in many in many
units in many ways that the
government the federal
government is not unique in
terms of
the mission our IT requirements
we have so we spent a lot of
time going out to
a private industry i'm too to
Financial Services 22 retailers
to
a medical kinda places which are
facing very very similar
problems
as a learning from the the best
in the industry is has been a
real good value for some great
point you just made I like that
idea mission value to you know
not doing this because we're
saving space I'm a we r I mean
that's that a
prepare a reason but it's really
about for focusing on the
mission
and making sure as we go through
the process that the mission D
the
is is not gonna be in packard
going to get better improved as
we go through the process I like
that reach out industry
paging I'll bump into government
people that's a lie to me with
industry analysts think to
myself how do you ever learn
anything new
I mean how do you look know
what's going on out there if
you're not out there talking and
talking to some people that have
some best practices out there
you know
how important it can be as
Stephen y lo brocade
I'm are some lessons that you
guys are
are picking up along the way
here at my wanna pass on sure so
just a plan what you're saying
you know we also reach out to
the end user customers right you
can develop something in a
vacuum cuz
the number use it right that it
really important does as well
the other one is in in this kind
of something at work is your
passion about
and it said she got a break out
the status quo you gotta quit
doing the same thing that you've
always done
and in our to get a different
result and one of the things
that's that's wrong partners is
this this concert the open
standards and it used to be
where
if you want open standards it
was in our bill it was it was my
gear that was
able to talk to somebody else is
here we weren't using simple
part here peace
and now that's expanded and when
you start looking at data
centers it's no longer just the
network or the servers are the
storage
it's how they all play together
and we start talking about its
fragments of defined networking
that
's a concept enables
that's a concept that enables
you to put a different level
control across that
infrastructure is not just the
network infrastructure
it's also the service is also
the storage in its the
orchestration above the controls
everything
specifically how did things move
between data centers more how do
I move information
within a day to some instance
occurs that there was and senior
you know on a plea that's
something that was really bad so
when you start talking about
this different layers
that interoperability extends up
as well the site
Eastern less so you know it's
it's can I work with the new
orchestrations was can work with
the red hats
and the checkpoints anything
else to get that kind of
information flowing
throughout the process and what
happens is when you start
looking at opens the engine
started yet
open standards in your
organization here's what happens
its that as technology changes
that best to breed player
changes as well
mom and when you use in an open
approach in open singers you
have the flexibility to move
into different areas that your
business needs by being provided
with
this new leader in that
technology you're not locked
into just one piece
and I think you know that's
something that in we start
talking or customers
is this is the lesson that we're
learning it's that get into open
standards get
out of the the the you know than
the normal which went on in the
past
that allows herself to really
have the agility
14 might yeah good points there
too you know if you keep doing
the same thing over and over
again you're certainly not
making progress on Yahoo I am
back in there the day that run
the federal CIO Council actually
propose that we give an award
to someone who tries to do
something innovative indifferent
and take a big risk
and maybe they fail well we link
given word for trying I'm
it didn't go anywhere got shot
down the road I still
it wasn't the only with the idea
came up with but with the idea
was to get people to not be
doing the same thing in a try to
do something different take some
risk
producer did they do to him
you're buying by nature I think
government there's some risk
adverse NIS
in a lot of different areas in
in in order to get innovative
and creative you got a break out
in that mold
Andrew price what do you think
mother some lessons learned
along the way
I think the the biggest lesson
learn is don't
squander the opportunity you
have by reacting in data center
and what I mean by that is you
know we have his legacy
applications that exist
and they've been running for
ever and no one wants to change
them and now that we're doing
consolidation we have the chance
to
make a change so you can a
to make a change so you can a
address some in the lingering
security need three architect
but you have in this opportunity
when you're moving thing
and I am you know there's a
there's a term that I that I
like to have her call technical
debt
mmm and it's where you just let
something I love because they're
so afraid of
at the stability other you have
10 patches to do you're still
running Windows 2000
you know whatever it is the
opportunity
to fix that is is there when
you're doing a consolidation
yeah
so you know some people are
risk-averse and don't want to
kill two birds one stone but
I would rather go forward with
one stone in not my problem is
that I i hear the technical Dept
debt
term all the time now and it's a
way of you know looking at some
these applications and where
tremendous amount
inefficiencies built and where
are their security holes where r
and hinders tools out there good
tools that can address that
and it really is about reducing
your costs then we will rework
in errors and and net and
everything else lol
I'm very good point there I'm
Bob Sinclar what you think
and from standpoint some lessons
learned on where
you know for some good points
I'm really a point so I think
I'm
you know having a methodology
having a plan and having a well
thought out plan
I like the idea you know you can
have an inventory hardware
detail and military applications
you know what the low-hanging
fruit is
how to be successful and I think
yes we've helped customers
you know up Casale in my great
arm
you know having a phased
approach make sense other is not
success or failure
it's a phased approach so you do
it in incremental steps
and and can s show success to
the people that are
pay my bills under customer so
that years amid it encourage
them to keep continue on with
the the innovations that the
efficiencies are you looking for
and other things yeah I think
the that incremental approach
we're seeing across the board in
all kind of things
with agile development
9 and I think and in some cases
because the government's attempt
to do the
the year the Big Bang billion
dollar program so
you know go over cost in then
time frames in 2004 so the more
you can do incrementally
you know little success stories
along way the time it seems to
be the approach
for a lot of things these days
and let's talk about some
challenges
hunt now I'm obviously funding
get is one we're a talked about
that mean
using up X money for capital
things but
what are some of the other big
challenges that are out there
were even starting with melanie
a department statement what some
other
challenges are things that you
still need to the constraint you
got to get by
to get where you want to go with
these programs I think the major
thing here for us here to say
Department on is competing
parties and dis having the
ability to
for the resources to be
available not finding as you
just mentioned
however I'm resource of time
resource from other stakeholders
and customers
on there are so many things are
going on and there's always in
america see in this
this thing may trump the other
thing this is my number one
party today but next week and
maybe something different so
says those
competing priorities that's one
of the main things that we have
are going on at the state
department unfortunately on as
dee dee doo
division chief in the data
center I don't and manage
raw nerve the network people I
don't manage certain pazzo
people that I would need to get
things done so therefore I have
to
coordinate and schedule with
them sometimes it's a slow
difficult
BMI moderated a a panel of CIA
a a week ago and that same issue
came up about the fact that
there's a whole lotta things
you'd like to do
things that are very innovative
can reduce our costume whatever
but there's only so many people
there so many resources
available
so you have to really figure out
where can you draw the line
tempted to make the progress you
try and make them Frank M
how bout the in your area where
some the big challenges or the
hurdles you're still get over to
get where you want to go with
these programs
States culture me because I'm
not going I am
yet you can you get high too
young to remember that Groucho
Marx show: but we have where the
the someone says the
secret word Leona should
the term culture should be our
secret word every show at some
point I'm
the but the thing that came down
on the router show would come
down but anyway
back to you frank governance
government governance is
important
and specially with Margaret
organization like the Air Force
if you want to move applications
you have to have some
governments is just supporting
that in fixing the priority
issues
because otherwise on the tens is
not to do anything
and as usual you know what every
defaults back down to
these you to keep going which
you have there's a change and
happy that we talk about change
yes think about the transition
from the whole system to the new
system is not new
there is a overlap period there
were a few very careful
specially with the Air Force
because he transitions for an
application this application may
be feeding all the bases
so you transition Big Bang
overnight all the bases probably
not
hmm you transition baser two
bases and keep on going across
the country into your
so there's a eight times been
here we have to keep it
both systems running you then
you also have the data
transition
because we're both systems
running you're feeling dead into
one system and not fitting into
the new system
and so you have to have some
reconciliation across the board
so when you talk about
you know movement across and
migrating is NIS not simply
frost as move it to another data
center
but times its its complex as to
how you do the transition across
and how to keep everything
straight
yeah excellent point C A
we I'll couple months back we
had a show on
profiles excellent and we
followed the publication I wrote
an article that did that
publication and I focused on
most to those point you just
made are both talking about how
do you achieve excellence in
nineteen I focus a lot around
government in having the process
is in place
it in 10 ordered to be able to
get things done you want to get
done so at some point
Jerry pender I'm under some love
the challenges the constraints
that thing you still gotta
get get accomplished to get by
in order to get where you want
to go with these programs
there's a few that I like that
the first one particular in data
centers
you're looking at building
something that's gonna last 25
years
so so the the difficulty in
forecasting
and what your building for %uh
the mission's going to
constantly change that the
financial environment that the
technology that you're putting
into it
it enough if you can predict
what 25 a
year's gonna be like your beard
smaller than I haven't had 23
backhand her I the the second
thing at hitters and
you know that lot of focus on
and consolidation and having
less data centers with less
physical access
on but there are certainly
requirements for physical access
to the data centers
%uh within the department just
as for example are living
litigating components often get
data from from external sources
were there
have been cases and
were there have been cases and
they have to I'm get onto the
network a nod to the system
huge amounts of data and that
actually does require some
physical access so kinda
balancing
that remote automated stuff with
the physical access
for onboarding data is is it as
a challenge I'm in the last one
that hit
is I'm it is not relief funding
issue but but an accounting
issue
that of and as as you're making
the changes
and and and data center strategy
and the
cost savings and expenses of
income from different budgets
and that can be difficult
organizationally rights on
if you if you're shining a
facility and you know maybe your
facilities organization saving
on some
the sand and power payments but
the IT organization
is now paying a and an outsource
costs right so at net net is a
savings but the money is coming
from different budgets and I can
be a challenge absolutely no in
fact that I B
number sessions which government
CIO's and private sector CA as
we talk about the technology
issues have pretty
pretty similar but when you talk
about different challenges
in the big government world you
have the things that you mention
like forecasting the fact that
you know with
he we have seaquest rations and
we have shut down that we have
budgets they go up and down he
can't really predict that far
out
and you have the inability to
move money from certain object
classes to others and so forth I
know came up big time we're
talking about
telecommunication in teleworking
in
trag at all reducg
in training at all reducing
training cost well most to the
reductions comes out on the
travel budget which is a
is not an IT budget and a those
kinda things jump in there
I want to hear from our private
sector of folks on this too but
first we're gonna take a short
break
you're listening to the Federal
Executive Forum on federal news
radio 1502 the Federal Executive
Forum on federal news radio 1500
a.m. I'm Jim flies secure with
Melanie Parker hills from
State Department Gary pender
from FBI
Frank connection the from US Air
Force Andrew price from Check
Point Software
the Wallow from brocade federal
and Bob Sinclar from Red Hat
we're talkin data center
consolidation
so she subject associated with
data center consolidation
and we were talking about
challenges we heard from our
government guest
a much go to Bob Sinclar what
are some other challenges you're
seeing
in with working with your
customers trying to achieve some
leadership the
Lisa these objector um I'll
focus on security I think
security is
a big part A a right hand our
history everything we do is we
focus on securing
arm if you look at the
technology to you
this containers there's
OpenStack a virtualization is
this public clouds
I'm almost every are
customer we happen in particular
the government customers are
extremely concerned about
our security so its it's
something that
are and as in a technology is
evolving so fast
it in out there in the community
the world other other vendors
that
we really have to focus on
security so its arm
make sure that when we release a
product that everything is
is ready for are I'm commercial
use
yet clearly I i think that one
is a you know
the man on earth emphasis on
cybersecurity these days at
Cyber Security has to be first
and foremost when you're
thinking about
any type of technology change
our movement these days
St why would he think what are
some other the challenges that
you see
that you have in the ECU working
with a customer in order to get
where
you're trying to get with the
program shirt night just an aunt
in
what frank was sayg about you
what frank was saying about you
know if there's something
different sometimes coverage
doesn't do any at all
rain no I think overcoming that
again we call the status quo
but it is just it is doing
something different to get
you know a more fish in approach
to the way that removing
information around
mend add-on I to the security
part of it a lot of it
from our perspective is
multi-tenancy we start to
consolidate people together
right sometimes those people
don't necessarily have the same
knowledge said in terms of what
they can share
and they might be different
communities a venture is not
necessarily different security
levels he wanna keep those
can contain it within themselves
but different communities need
to share these consolidated
pieces
and from our perspective you
want to make sure that one you
have the ability to car that
information up
but do in such a way we're still
sharing the same resources cuz
you can't get into the area
where
yep yes I consolidated all these
data centers but I percentages
built the same thing three times
in one data center now right
right so I what I want to do
some have common resources that
everybody can use but I want
them to use 'em
in a more efficient manner so
that each person is sharing the
resource but has some separation
in terms of who can see their
information not only in terms
the processing but where they
can share it to
known I start are looking at
virtualization from the server
side storage sign the network
inside
that applies in hopes that that
problem on I see there's like a
continuous improvements like a
leisurely going through the
process
a man to price for anything
whether some %uh the challenges
you're seeing
that need to be overcome to get
to the place you're really wanna
be
I think one big thing when
dealing consolidation when doing
automation
I'm doing well this is to not
forget that as your
touting things are bringing the
keys to the kingdom in a central
place
and don't forget to protect that
and if you look historically at
at some other recent
cyberattacks target for instance
the Isner match management
system to spread malware so
as you consolidate things
remember that you have to put
extra protection there because
the value that targeted
is significantly higher than it
was when everything was spread
out among different
organizations yeah action points
term
the again is like change
management now you know in one
year
I'm trying to get away I guess
from the the band-aid patching
approach to get more proactive
in
some cases I thk when
in in some cases I think when
you do in data center
consolidation cloud all that you
do have a chance to sit back and
reflect and try to look at the
big picture again
rather than all those
incremental changes that you've
made for in security along the
way
am no we it but all over shows
we talk about the future
try to get some predictions
about how these programs what
what what will they mean to hit
the and maybe five years out and
I'm what we see in government
5-10 years they attribute
obviously we're doing this
because we think it's a good
idea
can improve mission save money
and all that but water
you're going to look like in the
future for you guys where is
this all go 1101 E
well how will it improve
government processes let's start
with you bob worked our way
right back down at the table
here
and share our vision force for
the future what benefit
the UN improvements to see in
government as a result
going through these programs you
know I I hope that so
I'm as as the crowd as we all
fall to the crowd the
oppenheimer clout that
up were ob- were sharing data
we're we're making sure secure
that were a are given our from a
beauty perspective
the warfighter I applications
that are that
faster are and better than
previous generations
are that but this whole dev of
saying we can talk about that
say about me
platform as a service de Bossa
its as about
you know getting getting no the
change management you're doing
things
are faster deploying faster
getting things out to the edge
faster so
arm I think we're out moving and
right right direction and and
you know where the technology
goes it is hard to say
I hope that as a open source and
as a as a great
a great vendor yeah I know I'm
are the next generation coming
up I have kids and grandkids and
I know when they're in the
workplace
they're gonna expect things a
lot faster I'm there's an you
know
I'm I have a 4-year-old grandson
they came walking in carrying my
phone
inset looked at me and said
grandpa what is your password
United line light on the passer
a point to the need
to move going very happy kid
four-years-old I'm so yeah
they're going on things quick
I'm Stephen while what he/she is
let's say your crystal ball look
like what's the future look like
down the road
as a result of these programs
church so we can talk about two
things first
we discuss that new IP right the
the ability to tool
work inside have I've the new
air where things are changing so
much whether to counter
social media things like that
and your reference your your
grandson's found right when you
when you look at a phone and I
use this analogy before
you know it's it's it's how you
buy it how simple as a to use
you know how well does it work
with other things and then what
happens when you droppin
right and it the same thing
applies into an infrastructure
I'm vendors as ourself you know
how you buy we talked about this
network subscription model we
gotta give people the ability
to to use different types of fun
too to solve their problems
right that
those operational money says to
solve capital expenditures right
now and I think that's something
you can see going forward
the other piece o you know when
you when you look at the phone
analogy it's okay well how to
use it you got to make sure that
you're providing people
um that that need the services a
plug-and-play mentality
right when I go and and and i
won a drink water from my
kitchen
I turn to possibly get some
water really don't care what the
plan looks like in the house I
just want the water
the same thing has to happen
from the network side
wanna be able to just use the
network in after commander it
simple
when we start talking about
things like Ethernet fabrics and
those have a technologies where
he's dropped the name any
provide a service that you
expect with minimal touch zero
touch provisioning
the other P so that was you know
how well does it work with
others we start talking about
open pieces right want to get to
the point where the network
almost has
applications behind it and and
suffered if I know he will drive
that
rate you'll be allowed to say
anything new routing service or
I need this or that
he's gonna push a button improve
the pipeline network in having
your use it
and then has a feedback
mechanisms just do the
self-healing and that everybody
expects and the last pieces you
know for god sakes if you drop
your phone what do you do
main I can give you all the
greatest things but if there is
a prominent who
there there will be right that
we're all well and practical
world you have the services and
support behind in its not just
from a networking perspective
because everything ties together
you gotta have services and
support that the whole IT
infrastructures responsible for
and that's where the Managed
Services pieces come in you want
to build a
to have one phone call that that
has somebody that can see
everything inside environment
from home IT perspective which
is i think with the seniors are
looking excellent
and Dupree said checkpoint where
you think what to look like down
the road
to down I would like to
to down the road I would like to
say anyone going to college no
imagery specialize
way if you're looking at it.
because I think the days at the
generic IT guy are numbered
now the more you invest in
automation the easier it becomes
to set up a server
if you think a even five years
ago how many people employed
just
paper a disk into a server and
senator right that's done so
make sure you spit
especially for security i think
thats gonna do a.m.
the other thing with automation
is you get new power
you have the ability to react
automatically when things happen
so we have security that's for
example
I but a server gets compromised
what do you do now
to go unplug it you move it
somewhere when you look into the
future in the capabilities we
have
the reactions that will be
automatic the service compromise
you could have a system in
you can actually build this now
that will take the server
offline
taken all back up a bit put it
back and apply additional
protections to based on what
happened and this all
just happens behind the scenes
without any kind of human
interaction call
the yeah with the talked about
term
participate in one min arch we
talk about the future that we're
all the living in
decision-making
with as time begins to pro 20 I
mean that's where that's where
we're going in terms of help
fast with the
messaging and things like that
when you look at terrorism
everything else you know
decisions are going to be made
in split seconds and
that time issue is going to be
the
a challenge Jerry pender want to
look like down the road with
crystal ball look like her words
as
what's that what the world all
these FBI can look like down the
road after you make your way
through these programs
I think I think about the future
and in two different ways what
does it look like in what's the
mission value that would it now
does that mean
as far as what it looks like I
might I think we've had many the
point already
I'm highly automated things
happen really automatically
in in a speed and efficiency
perspective and
a green data centers was so talk
to a fair amount about energy
efficiency
but water waste
but water efficiency waste
efficiency I'm having the whole
environment
be green certainly everything's
moving more towards high density
I'm strick physical and logical
security
a much more than we have right
now I'm having their portfolio
of approaches in our
inner arm in our pocket
flexibility
I'm really the ability to adapt
as that is a technology mission
changes
and scaleable may have to scale
up and down with that with the
mission and the requirements
as far as the mission values I
think that the future is is
about improve security
an improved information sharing
which is one that I don't think
we've had on today
but as you bring different
components different
organizations together
that right now topping data back
and forth the ability to do that
that much more efficient
straightforward way so
information-sharing to improve
the the mission
a more jodie and there's really
a a push to get things out
up quicker on lower costs higher
availability in in enabling
people to do things for their
themselves but you know ten
years ago and
people came to it. to to do
things for them and and
corporate IT
le the consumer but it is
certainly different now read the
consumer
is is leading the corporate IT
and that people are coming with
an expectation
but you're able to do some
things for from them for
themselves
have to figure out how we enable
a people to to work
within a within a framework is
is really key to the excellent
point sir
manuel said good job i'm frank
what you see is there was a look
like down the road to you which
is all going
we see the airman actually
focusing on missions that have
focusing on how to make a data
center work make sense than
mean that that's the whole point
of all this we see a
commoditized
you be curious way of getting
cloud services that is easy to
pay for just like you pay for
electricity
as opposed to doing a major
procurements that we have to do
now
right miss the that in terms of
security availability
reliability
especially resilience thing the
ability to switch between data
centers is you need to
automatically
and head back up in Kew
capabilities because I N
we always talked about the
automation we wanna make it just
is easy to
to dial if phone number as it is
to bring up a cloud service and
movie wraps around
moon yeah like that idea move
into words the utility and
the analogy that Stephen made
because if I look at the
the mission at the FBI the US
Air Force State Department the
high-level Michelle know what
those
but what that agencies do I
don't think I'm gonna find
something in there that says
manage IT infrastructure
unpaid I Melanie what where's is
all gone what's it look like
down the road here
perfect segue what your last
statement although I missions
are different
II we share the same fundamental
viewpoint is my other colleagues
here
from the federal sector and we
are looking at more denser
technology we r lookin
as I mentioned earlier the high
availability disaster recovery
type a footprint
we're looking at Convergys
technology we also are looking
on and being a facility provider
again we have 15,000 square feet
up data for space for
our other agencies to love you
and look at out on the west
coast
so we're we're just looking at
across the government and all
those arm
areas achieve am again missus
it's amazing to see here listen
to the college because we share
the same
values and goals across the
board that's a good thing a good
feeling yet to rent remains will
do a shoutout State Department
has available space
yes
yeah Mia yeah and I listen
listen in to YouTube
like I feel like the show's keep
me smart I mean it like Sprint
like me have
a have been tutored every every
show we do because I hear
what's going on in different
agencies and from smart people
on that
gives me a lot over I think let
me do some summarizing I take
note as I always do tryna did
pick some the the high point we
here when we talk about progress
I'm a couple things I heard
there was a the important to do
an application inventory
I'm the important as governments
and
having government in place a I
heard about understanding the
customer
as a the making sure that that
is a focus
I heard about energy savings
that are being achieved with the
new cooling technologies
when we talked about the
virtualization and cloud managed
services
the basically yes we're doing
all that
in addition to data center
consolidation they're all
intermingled
issues that are all being worked
jointly and together we talked
about security in the need for
security as and as a a driver as
we move this direction being out
there
and I have a lot of conversation
around change management this is
a big change management kinda
van
operation there a lotta cultures
here there's a lotta same old
same old the
walls that need to be broken
down and you need to remember
10 keep all the pieces intact in
so we don't
have certain things slip in on
that we talk lessons learned I
think frank you brought that up
they have to think about as a
system
and all the pieces that fit
together because as you move
certain things you want to make
sure that
you things are going to work the
way the should work when you
actually do the
these crossovers I week a lot a
conversation about the need to
understand inventory
and getting inventory in place
prior to making these moves
and looking at things may be
that we don't need to do
anything
more in other ways the the
technical debt
issue came up there about are
other ways to make things more
efficient
and before we actually move move
them along in in it we do some
with the inefficiencies we havin
some of our systems and I heard
I think was jerry bringing up
flexibility and adaptability we
need to be able to be very
adaptable and flexible as these
new requirements enter into the
scene
challenges competing priorities
resources are always challenges
government good governance
structure to make sure
everybody's on the same page
being able to forecast and
understand what the
the budget picture might look
like the best we can and then
security
jumped in there too as a clearly
a challenge that can't be
overlooked
future we see more I'm sharing
I'll you know more shared
environment
perhaps some these culture
issues do break down some of
these things and we see more
hybrids in
share data centers and so forth
we talked about speed
and and the fact that the future
it's going to be decision-making
could have to be fast we're
going be have to adapt quickly
we're gonna
the ad wrong make changes his
rap very very rapidly
we talked about convergence a a
lot of these technologies will
converge
in there will be some challenges
in the terms about how we do
that
and I think in the future the
thing that drove
be home to me the most is the
mission focus
I you know it. should be a
utility
and you shifts focus on mission
and the infrastructure in the IT
support
will just be there it's a given
that should be things that
anyone's worrying about with
that I wanna first thank our
panelists the
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